The greatest "pure accuracy" RFBR performance ever?

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Bill Calfee

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The greatest "pure accuracy" RFBR performance ever?


CYA accuracy fool friends:


Is PedroS's outdoor 1500 x 109X performance, at meters, with his Harper built V-3 Turbo, the greatest "pure accuracy" accomplishment in the history of contemporary RFBR?


There's a 10% difference in accuracy, yards verses meters......I know, I've set up targets at both 50 meters and 50 yards in such a way that my bullets passed through both targets....

I've done this so many times with the results always the same...

There's a 10% loss of accuracy from the yards to the meters target.....

If you don't believe this, do it yourself......


So let's do some math...

If PedroS had fired his targets at yards, instead of meters, here's what he would have produced:


The 1500 raw score would have remained the same, obviously...

But the X count............

109 X's plus 10.9 additional X's equal 120 X's rounded off...

So PedroS would have produced a yards score of 1500 x 120X's.............

Outdoors......

More later after this has had time to sink in....

Your LBK and pistol fool friend, Bill Calfee
 
ARA at 50 meters, outdoors....

CYA accuracy fool friends:

I quote from my last post:
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If PedroS had fired his targets at yards, instead of meters, here's what he would have produced:
The 1500 raw score would have remained the same, obviously...
But the X count............
109 X's plus 10.9 additional X's equal 120 X's rounded off...

So PedroS would have produced a yards score of 1500 x 120X's.............

Outdoors......
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Here's a most interesting question:

How does this mind blowing performance by PedorS, using that magnificent Harper V-3, compare to a 6 card ARA score?

It would be most interesting to see what the top tier ARA shooters here in the US could do for 6 cards at meters.

Wouldn't that make a tremendous match......ARA at meters.....outdoors!

Do you think there's a top tier ARA shooter in the US that could agg 2350 for 6 cards at meters?.......outdoors!

Or even indoors?


Your LBK and pistol fool friend, Bill Calfee
 
Further pondering PedroS's mind blowing 1500 x 109X at meters with that magnificent Harper Turbo V-3.

CYA accuracy fool friends:

A true ARA 2500 target, if it had been shot at meters, will grade somewhere between 2250 and 2350...

Therefore, for one of the top tier US ARA shooters to produce a 6 card 2350 Agg would be nigh on impossible...outdoors or indoors..

This is why PedroS's amazing feat may be the greatest "pure accuracy" performance in the history of contemporary RFBR.

Your LBK and pistol fool friend, Bill Calfee
 
What I heard about LV hard condititions I think Pedros 750/48 X is better result on LV than 750/61 X on HV!

Maestro himself can give comment to my opinion.

Picture from range.

BR, Timo
 

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I was searching for something else, and saw Timo's post.

Of course he deserves an answer, and I'm very sorry for my late reply, but for some reason I missed it until today...

During last Worlds at Plzen, wind, as we have already stated was terrible for the majority of time, but there were days it was even worse. It was the case of LV competition day. Gusty, unpredictable , swirling, you name it.

Yes, I agree, my score was, comparatively to HV, harder to get.
How I managed it?

Well, reading the wind is not just reading the wind.
Wind is air in movement, and it has to bypass the obstacles. So, we have to also read to obstacles that interact with the air in our lane range. If you look carefully at the picture posted by Timo, you can see the woods barriers to mimic "safety" corridors.
But look more closely... can you see the open spaces between the wood slats?
This spaces, for the worst, lined perfectly with the bullet pass on the higher two target lines, from targets 1 to 10, and with still some impact, but much less, between the 11 and the 15. And, your wind flags can't show anything as they have to be higher than the target... so, they were of no use.

During the IS competition and looking to the posted targets, I started to notice a trend. That trend reflected my difficulty to finish my targets (remember I start from below). I saw majority of points were lost on those two 1st target rows.
I couldn't find an answer until I went to the range to try to understand and discovered that terrible coincidence of spaces lining with the bullet pass to those lines.

That knowledge was of must importance on the following days.
I had to find a way to overcome that issue. And I did. I no longer shot a condition, but started to shot a condition bypassing the "space". Unfortunately, majority of competitors continue to shoot the flags, that were of no use, due to those spaces between the wood slats.
On those last 3 rows, I only shot facing wind from 0º to 45º. This wind will not going throw the spaces, presenting no ventury effect, so my flags could read it. Between 45º and 135º I didn't shot.

And that's the story behind my 750 48x in LV day.
 
Bill Calfee said:
Further pondering PedroS's mind blowing 1500 x 109X at meters with that magnificent Harper Turbo V-3.

CYA accuracy fool friends:

A true ARA 2500 target, if it had been shot at meters, will grade somewhere between 2250 and 2350...

Therefore, for one of the top tier US ARA shooters to produce a 6 card 2350 Agg would be nigh on impossible...outdoors or indoors..

This is why PedroS's amazing feat may be the greatest "pure accuracy" performance in the history of contemporary RFBR.

Your LBK and pistol fool friend, Bill Calfee
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This is very impressive for sure…I know I’m going to put some ARA targets at meters and see what I can do. I know I’m not a top tier shooter yet but it’s an interesting concept. I recently went to the test tunnel in Ohio and they have a new system that measures how the bullet performs at 50yds, 50meters and 100 meters. The temperature in the test center was 45-50 degrees and the tunnel was 5-10 degrees so not ideal situation for sure, but on all the ammo tested my rifle performed better at meters than at yards. Sometimes it would be a full mm better at meters than yards…which was very confusing to the operator. So I’m going to see if I can repeat that outdoors when it warms up. Thanks T
 
I nominate the 2019 ARA season by Ivan Wells. Starting on March 2 and ending on October 12 Ivan shot 145 ARA targets at 26 matches at 9 different clubs/ranges with 18 of those matches being 6 card tournaments. Results...2306 ARA Agg. for that year and wins both the A-Line and the Agg Line.
 
And it was shot at meters...

CYA accuracy fool friends:

I was sitting today pondering PedroS and his amazing shooting with his TKH built Turbo V-3, which is without question the greatest performance in the history of contemporary RFBR.

I mean, Pedro shot this at meters.....not yards.............

An ARA 6 card agg of 2400, for example, would translate into something on the order of 2150-2200 or so at meters.......

So yes, PedroS, without question, produced the greatest performance in the history of contemporary RFBR.

Congratulations again Pedro for that mind blowing shooting and congratulations again TKH for furnishing Pedro that amazing Turbo V-3.

Your LBK and pistol fool friend, Bill Calfee
 
It was done at meters, not yards...

CYA accuracy fool friends:

The simply mind blowing part of Pedro's accomplishment was that it was done at meters, not yards...

Can you imagine ARA shooters having to compete at meters!!!!!!!!!

BC
 
Will it ever be bettered?

CYA accuracy fool friends:

Will Pedro's mind blowing accomplishment ever be bettered?

Will Pedro himself ever do it again?

When one has turned in the greatest performance in the history of contemporary RFBR, that performance is going to be tough to better.

Your LBK and pistol fool friend, Bill Calfee
 
Bill Calfee said:
Will it ever be bettered?

CYA accuracy fool friends:

Will Pedro's mind blowing accomplishment ever be bettered?

Will Pedro himself ever do it again?

When one has turned in the greatest performance in the history of contemporary RFBR, that performance is going to be tough to better.

Your LBK and pistol fool friend, Bill Calfee
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Bill I agree with you that Pedro is an amazing shooter but I think you’re missing one important part of the puzzle. The fact that one uses Best Edge scoring and the other uses Worst Edge scoring, so comparing ARA to the targets Pedro was shooting is not Apples to Apples.
 
Bullseye-T said:
Bill I agree with you that Pedro is an amazing shooter but I think you’re missing one important part of the puzzle. The fact that one uses Best Edge scoring and the other uses Worst Edge scoring, so comparing ARA to the targets Pedro was shooting is not Apples to Apples.
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Friend Bullseye-T:

Pedro performed his amazing feat at METERS...........not yards like in ARA....
And shot outdoors to boot...

Friend Bullseye-T, there's never been an ARA performance comparable......it's really not even close....

This is why Pedro's performance is the greatest of all time in contemporary RFBR..

Your LBK and pistol fool friend, Bill Calfee
 
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Bill Calfee said:
Friend Bullseye-T:

Pedro performed his amazing feat at METERS...........not yards like in ARA....
And shot outdoors to boot...

Friend Bullseye-T, there's never been an ARA performance comparable......it's really not even close....

This is why Pedro's performance is the greatest of all time in contemporary RFBR..

Your LBK and pistol fool friend, Bill Calfee
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Bill…I think my point about scoring was missed, so let me put in numbers that writes a better picture. ARA has a bull that is 0.5” and they have to keep all the bullet inside of 0.5” to count as a 100. Pedro’s scoring says that if you touch the 10 ring it counts as a ten. From best guest from pictures I’ve seen on Pedro’s target the ten ring is slightly larger than a 22 bullet, so in order to get a ten you have about 0.75” to play with. My gun is not one of the best in ARA and I’ve been able to shot under 12.7 mm outside to outside at 50 meters in the test tunnel so imagine what a National winning rifle would do.

Again, I’m not saying Pedro’s shooting wasn’t a great example of one of the best but to discredit all of the great shooters in ARA is a huge injustice to the sport.

I second John Princes vote of Ivan Wells. I would also put Greg Hissong in the mix with his perfect 250/25X on an unlimited IR50/50 card.

I don’t know why I wrote this because it won’t change your mind…LOL.
 
I believe that you cannot decide which is the greatest achievement when you have 2 different targets and scoring systems, as well as rests. Also indoor and outdoor conditions.
The only true way to decide would be that everything would be the same. I would suggest something like a proper benchrest group shoot where the rests ,targets, and scoring system is the same. Of course must be shot outdoors so as the wind reading skills of the shooter come into play. That would sort the men from the boys, and S.A.P. and P.A.S. systems.
My 2 bob's worth from down under Nth. Qld. Australia.
Trevor.
 
Friend Bullseye-T

I quote the last sentence of your last post:

"I don’t know why I wrote this because it won’t change your mind…LOL."

Not only will you not change my mind, it won't change the fact that Pedro's accomplishment is the greatest performance in the history of contemporary RFBR.....

No disrespect to you or the many talented ARA competitors.

Your LBK and pistol fool friend, Bill Calfee
 
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