Season is fading off...

andymarth said:
Last weekend on a German Match
What do the community think
Change tuners setting?
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The most common question... should I retune my rifle?

First things first.
On 1st image, target 8, the upper shot is not a 10... it's a 9. So your analysis is not fully accurate.

Looking at your targets, majority of groups are not vertical. Yes, you have a couple of verticals, but also many horizontal ones.
At he end, when you emulate all shots, the group is more or less roundish... I think you'll be better to continue looking for a better lot.

Shooting at Hammilken is hard. You'll have lots of front and back winds, and if you are shooting at the latest benches, the range is must more open than the other positions. Could be the source of a lot of verticals.
 
Thank a Lot the scoring is like the comity score
Wind was not so easy ……I’ll try two or mor Millimeters forward
Its a Walther kk500 with standard tube🤷‍♂️
 
Hello Pedro,

Thank you for clearly clarifying the difference between instinct and intuition.
So work well with the wind and let intuition do its work!T

here is one thing I would like to understand about tuning the tuners.

I often found several adjustment zones, for example 1 ¼ turn and 3 1/2 turns, sometimes more locations.
I can fine-tune several zones, so how do I choose the best zone?

Always complicated the rimfire! glad you reacted
 
Yes, there are some sweet spots, but they are not really the same.
In fact, any of those sweet spots can, in fact, produce scores like 250s, but normally they differ in the number of Xs.
Some will be more "forgiving" in the wind, others not so much.

Rimfire is funny, indeed.
I seldom have more than two very good sweet spots. If I remember well, on one of my rifles, it took me almost one year shooting, to determine the best one.
Other interesting fact about the "best" of these spots, is the rifle ability to find good lots.

It takes time, discipline, motivation, knowledge, and, not less important, money.
 
Thanks Pedro,

I'm going to look for what passes best in the wind!

Still so much to learn, glad to be able to draw on your great experience.
 
PedroS said:
Yes, there are some sweet spots, but they are not really the same.
In fact, any of those sweet spots can, in fact, produce scores like 250s, but normally they differ in the number of Xs.
Some will be more "forgiving" in the wind, others not so much.

Rimfire is funny, indeed.
I seldom have more than two very good sweet spots. If I remember well, on one of my rifles, it took me almost one year shooting, to determine the best one.
Other interesting fact about the "best" of these spots, is the rifle ability to find good lots.

It takes time, discipline, motivation, knowledge, and, not less important, money.
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Howdy Pedro,

You are posting so much good info!

You said something I've never considered before:

"Other interesting fact about the "best" of these spots, is the rifle ability to find good lots."

Can you explain this a bit more, please?

Take care,

Greg
 
404tbang said:
"Other interesting fact about the "best" of these spots, is the rifle ability to find good lots."

Can you explain this a bit more, please?
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Hi Greg,

I don't have a specific answer for that, but I'l share my thoughts on it.

I draw that conclusion after some time at test centres. I noticed that some of my rifles could/can pick more easily a lot around 12mm 30 shots group. Some times, I have to choose between 2/3 lots...
Others, on the contrary, are hard to find a suitable lot. Some times I couldn't even find a lot under 14mm 30 shots group.
At the beginning I thought it was rifle specific, but after some time, and because I take notes of everything putting results on an excel sheet, I started to notice a trend. The best rifles always have one or a couple of lots on around 12mm. Well, it's because they are the best ones. No doubt of it.

But, some times, things happens just by change... one, on those testings, my best rifle couldn't find any suitable lot... hmm, what's wrong here? Funny, I was testing with another sweet spot and forget to reposition the tuner to the "best" one for testing. I was lucky having time at hand, and we retest the rifle with the correct sweet spot. And? You got it, immediately was apparent, with every lot, a smaller group appears on target, and, as expected, two lots were 12mm 30 shots group.
This happened 3 years ago at Lapua Germany test centre.

I couldn't stop thinking about it during the travel back home. But, it was still, a negative thought... uau, if I didn't notice I couldn't end up with a good choice.
Arriving at home I immediately put a testing plan with all my available ammo lots.
At the range, through several weeks, I tested all lots with different sweet spots, and this corroborated the initial thought. The best sweet spot is easier on finding good lots.

Again, it changed also my tuning approach. Before I tend to rely just on a sweet spot, but now I play around all sweet spots, until I discover the best one. Only then, I finish my tuning, and keep that tuning until a major rifle component is changed.

P.S.:
Why should we bother if a spot gives 250 20x and the other 250 21x?
Well, keep trying and if the second is frequently the best, stay with it.
The time spent will pay dividends at the end. Both, in points and most importantly, in ammo finding.
 
Pedro
I just have to say this, I shot long range Benchrest for years 600 and 1000.

You hit it talking about routine and comfort zones, are 2 DIFFERENT thing’s entirely.

Stick to your routine and it takes practice practice sometimes years to perfect, NEVER get in a comfort zone you’ll mess up every time.

Sorry just had to say that
Carry on

Joey
 
PedroS said:
Hi Greg,

I don't have a specific answer for that, but I'l share my thoughts on it.

I draw that conclusion after some time at test centres. I noticed that some of my rifles could/can pick more easily a lot around 12mm 30 shots group. Some times, I have to choose between 2/3 lots...
Others, on the contrary, are hard to find a suitable lot. Some times I couldn't even find a lot under 14mm 30 shots group.
At the beginning I thought it was rifle specific, but after some time, and because I take notes of everything putting results on an excel sheet, I started to notice a trend. The best rifles always have one or a couple of lots on around 12mm. Well, it's because they are the best ones. No doubt of it.

But, some times, things happens just by change... one, on those testings, my best rifle couldn't find any suitable lot... hmm, what's wrong here? Funny, I was testing with another sweet spot and forget to reposition the tuner to the "best" one for testing. I was lucky having time at hand, and we retest the rifle with the correct sweet spot. And? You got it, immediately was apparent, with every lot, a smaller group appears on target, and, as expected, two lots were 12mm 30 shots group.
This happened 3 years ago at Lapua Germany test centre.

I couldn't stop thinking about it during the travel back home. But, it was still, a negative thought... uau, if I didn't notice I couldn't end up with a good choice.
Arriving at home I immediately put a testing plan with all my available ammo lots.
At the range, through several weeks, I tested all lots with different sweet spots, and this corroborated the initial thought. The best sweet spot is easier on finding good lots.

Again, it changed also my tuning approach. Before I tend to rely just on a sweet spot, but now I play around all sweet spots, until I discover the best one. Only then, I finish my tuning, and keep that tuning until a major rifle component is changed.

P.S.:
Why should we bother if a spot gives 250 20x and the other 250 21x?
Well, keep trying and if the second is frequently the best, stay with it.
The time spent will pay dividends at the end. Both, in points and most importantly, in ammo finding.
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Howdy Pedro,

There is a lot to consider in your post. Thank you for taking the time to pass on good information to others!

Take care,

Greg
 
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