Questions
- Thread starter Old-Trev
- Start date
- Joined
- Apr 29, 2015
- Messages
- 9,667
- Reaction score
- 223
Friend Old-Trev:
If the bedding is correct, 35 inch pounds is a reasonable figure..
Your LBK and pistol fool friend, Bill Calfee
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the reply.
Do you remember back in 2007 you had some questions from a fellow about Turbo actions, barrels and reamers and was sent a folder of photos from Cairns area North Queensland Australia? Well that was me, and I am now 84 years old. I could not get a Turbo as Flash did not have an export permit so I bought a Hall which you had said was a good action. I also got a 4 grouve Lilja tight bore which you also recommended, and with that a Calfee #1 reamer. Well that combination worked very well. About 6years ago the barrel suddenly went bad and on inspection with a bore scope, a smsll piece of material had come out of a land about 4" in front of the chamber. Must have been an inclusion that suddenly decided to part company. I installed an Australian made Maddco barrel which shoots very well using the same reamer. A couple of years ago just for the heck of it I bought a 2 grouve Benchmark barrel and installed it at 26" long and same reamer. It also shoots very well. With it I set a new club 1oo yd. B/R. group record of .183" using Eley Match. The barrel is fitted with an Australian made Lowey tuner {M.D.} The stock is my own design and made by me out of a North Queensland timber species.
Cheers mate and happy we are both still above ground.
Trevor.
Thanks for the reply.
Do you remember back in 2007 you had some questions from a fellow about Turbo actions, barrels and reamers and was sent a folder of photos from Cairns area North Queensland Australia? Well that was me, and I am now 84 years old. I could not get a Turbo as Flash did not have an export permit so I bought a Hall which you had said was a good action. I also got a 4 grouve Lilja tight bore which you also recommended, and with that a Calfee #1 reamer. Well that combination worked very well. About 6years ago the barrel suddenly went bad and on inspection with a bore scope, a smsll piece of material had come out of a land about 4" in front of the chamber. Must have been an inclusion that suddenly decided to part company. I installed an Australian made Maddco barrel which shoots very well using the same reamer. A couple of years ago just for the heck of it I bought a 2 grouve Benchmark barrel and installed it at 26" long and same reamer. It also shoots very well. With it I set a new club 1oo yd. B/R. group record of .183" using Eley Match. The barrel is fitted with an Australian made Lowey tuner {M.D.} The stock is my own design and made by me out of a North Queensland timber species.
Cheers mate and happy we are both still above ground.
Trevor.
MikeMcAllister
Member
- Joined
- Jul 18, 2023
- Messages
- 69
- Reaction score
- 10
Wow! If you would have any way to upload a few pictures of that rifle and stock, I am sure we all would be very interested in seeing them. Thanks mate.
--Mike McAllister
Hi Mike,
I am a I.T. dioasauer. Totally hopeless at any of this up loading stuff ect. If I want to send photos I get my son to take the photos and e/mail them to me then I forward them by e/mail. If there is any way of doing this to get them up here I would be happy to give it a try.
Cheers,
Trevor.
I am a I.T. dioasauer. Totally hopeless at any of this up loading stuff ect. If I want to send photos I get my son to take the photos and e/mail them to me then I forward them by e/mail. If there is any way of doing this to get them up here I would be happy to give it a try.
Cheers,
Trevor.
MikeMcAllister
Member
- Joined
- Jul 18, 2023
- Messages
- 69
- Reaction score
- 10
No problem. Do not worry about it. Sounds like it would be a lot of trouble for you. Thanks very much for your reply. And very good wishes to you, sir.
--Mike McAllister
I present another question.
Do you shoot using ammunition straight from box or do you do some sort of sorting such as, weight, rim thickness, or base to ogive? Some out here do one, two or three. Personally I am straight out of the box. I have pulled apart a whole box and weighed the components in order, listing each round separately, on my AND F-X 300i scales. Yes there are small differences but we cannot reassemble them to see which gives us the variaration on target. I have shot quite respectable group targets with a mix of the lightest and heaviest. I am a curious person and like to know what others do and am quite willing to pass on anthing I might find. No secret society business with me except personal.
Cheers all,
Trevor.
Do you shoot using ammunition straight from box or do you do some sort of sorting such as, weight, rim thickness, or base to ogive? Some out here do one, two or three. Personally I am straight out of the box. I have pulled apart a whole box and weighed the components in order, listing each round separately, on my AND F-X 300i scales. Yes there are small differences but we cannot reassemble them to see which gives us the variaration on target. I have shot quite respectable group targets with a mix of the lightest and heaviest. I am a curious person and like to know what others do and am quite willing to pass on anthing I might find. No secret society business with me except personal.
Cheers all,
Trevor.
MikeMcAllister
Member
- Joined
- Jul 18, 2023
- Messages
- 69
- Reaction score
- 10
So far, I shoot 'straight from the box'. If I was to start sorting, I think it would be base to ogive, simply because match chambers engrave the bullet. Consistency in the length of the engraving seems important to me.
--Mike McAllister
MikeMcAllister
Member
- Joined
- Jul 18, 2023
- Messages
- 69
- Reaction score
- 10
Replying to myself. I probably should have stated 'base to driving bands', rather than 'base to ogive'; i.e. consistency from the base of the case to where the bullet engraves in the rifling.
I stop using beddless stocks long time ago. They were hard to find the right action torque, not to mention the change with weather.
With correctly bedded ones above a certain torque value there is no difference. I have found above 4Nm all is the same. I use 5Nm on all my bedded stocks, being wood or composite ones.
Sorting ammo...
I think is the other theme, alongside with tuning, that get much questions and answers.
My approach is always the same... no sorting at all. Just use good barrel selected ammo.
With correctly bedded ones above a certain torque value there is no difference. I have found above 4Nm all is the same. I use 5Nm on all my bedded stocks, being wood or composite ones.
Sorting ammo...
I think is the other theme, alongside with tuning, that get much questions and answers.
My approach is always the same... no sorting at all. Just use good barrel selected ammo.
Hi Pedro,
Thanks for your reply to both my questions. As to ammo sorting I agree. It is just that I am a curious person and like to hear other peoples ideas.
To Mike,
As to the base to driving band measurement. I have thought of this, but as we engrave our projectiles, the longer ons are already engraved the difference when we chamber a round. That leaves the remainder to be engraved the same length theoretically. The only thing I can think of that the different length would make is, would the extra drag of a couple of thousands make a significant change in velocity to show up on the target?
Cheers to you both,
Trevor.
Thanks for your reply to both my questions. As to ammo sorting I agree. It is just that I am a curious person and like to hear other peoples ideas.
To Mike,
As to the base to driving band measurement. I have thought of this, but as we engrave our projectiles, the longer ons are already engraved the difference when we chamber a round. That leaves the remainder to be engraved the same length theoretically. The only thing I can think of that the different length would make is, would the extra drag of a couple of thousands make a significant change in velocity to show up on the target?
Cheers to you both,
Trevor.
Trevor, I have read that differences in crimp pressure on the bullet can have an effect on pressure in the barrel upon ignition and variances in poi at the target. Might there be a correlation between this and what you are asking in the above post? Sounds like there could be a connection but I'm no expert and still trying to learn.
Trevor, that sounds like a plan to me.I want to have fun while at the range and if it becomes work to try to figure out why a shot went astray it is no longer fun. I'm going to work on things that I have control over, reading the wind for one thing. Everyone that I shoot with is in the same boat. We are shooting untested ammo purchased in the blind when we can find it.
- Joined
- Apr 29, 2015
- Messages
- 9,667
- Reaction score
- 223
Friend Old-Trev:
Is this the little picture book of Australia you sent me back in 2007?
If so, yes I remember it and you.....
I'll be 80 this September, and you being 84, well I'm like you, I'm tickled that we're both still above ground.
Friend Old-Trev, I wish you could have gotten a Turbo action....as good as you've done with the Hall, my gosh what you might have done with a Turbo...
Your LBK and pistol fool friend, Bill Calfee
Hi Bill,
Yes that looks like the one. That is definatelyy the Cairns area. The butterfly is a male Birdwing and they are about 4inches across the wing span. The female is about half as big again and has yellow markings instead of green. Most days it is still good to be above ground, but there are some that are not so good.
Cheers,
Trevor.
Yes that looks like the one. That is definatelyy the Cairns area. The butterfly is a male Birdwing and they are about 4inches across the wing span. The female is about half as big again and has yellow markings instead of green. Most days it is still good to be above ground, but there are some that are not so good.
Cheers,
Trevor.
Hi penn63,
Sounds like your ammo situation is much like ours. Up here in Nth. Queensland we are at the end of the food chain. Our main gun shop may get 5 or 6 cases of good ammo at a time when he can get it. If you are not quick it is gone in a flash. I buy a case at a time and when I am getting down I order a case from him to hold for me. As we go a long way back he does that for me. So far I have not had a bad lot of Eley Match. I was a big user of Lapua Centre X untill the last case I bought. It was that oily that oil had seeped past the crimp on some rounds and turned the powder to goo. It still went off but at 50m. would land one and a half to two inches low. I contacted Lapua by e/mail about it, and was told it would be passed onto the technical department and I never heard from them again. So I said stuff you and have not bought any more Lapua ammo again. I am not backward in telling this incident to all and sundry. I gave the balance of that case to a friend who runs safety courses where it did not matter.
Cheers,
Trevor.
Sounds like your ammo situation is much like ours. Up here in Nth. Queensland we are at the end of the food chain. Our main gun shop may get 5 or 6 cases of good ammo at a time when he can get it. If you are not quick it is gone in a flash. I buy a case at a time and when I am getting down I order a case from him to hold for me. As we go a long way back he does that for me. So far I have not had a bad lot of Eley Match. I was a big user of Lapua Centre X untill the last case I bought. It was that oily that oil had seeped past the crimp on some rounds and turned the powder to goo. It still went off but at 50m. would land one and a half to two inches low. I contacted Lapua by e/mail about it, and was told it would be passed onto the technical department and I never heard from them again. So I said stuff you and have not bought any more Lapua ammo again. I am not backward in telling this incident to all and sundry. I gave the balance of that case to a friend who runs safety courses where it did not matter.
Cheers,
Trevor.
Trevor, Eley is readily available here in the states through Killough's shooting sports. When I had my rifle built two years ago it didn't like Eley at that time. I have been shooting Midas + and R 50 for the last two years, but since availability has dried up I may have to try Eley again. Killough's will let you order test lots also. Might be the way to go these days. Take care, Les. Oh, forgot to add that I will be 79 in a couple of weeks so I know all about the days that are not so good. I'm stuck in the house recuperating from a total knee replacement. That's a tough surgery for a young person much less an old fart like me.
Last edited:
Hi Penn63,
I had a knee replacement about 5 years ago. Came through it pretty good. Word of advice, keep up the re-habitation exercises it pays dividends. I had 10 days in hospital and walked out with a walking stick. I threw that away after 2 days at home. The worst part for me was I was not allowed to drive for 6 weeks. That kept me away from shooting.
We do not have the luxaury of being able to get test lots. What we can do is buy a packet of a few different lots if we can. Then generally if we find a good one there is no more left at the gun shop when we go back. So for us it is a real lucky dip. Cost is also another factor as it just keeps going up. We are paying (Au)$260-00 for a brick of Eley Match, that equates to around (Us)$18-00 how does that compare.
All the best in your recuperation.
Cheers,
Trevor.
I had a knee replacement about 5 years ago. Came through it pretty good. Word of advice, keep up the re-habitation exercises it pays dividends. I had 10 days in hospital and walked out with a walking stick. I threw that away after 2 days at home. The worst part for me was I was not allowed to drive for 6 weeks. That kept me away from shooting.
We do not have the luxaury of being able to get test lots. What we can do is buy a packet of a few different lots if we can. Then generally if we find a good one there is no more left at the gun shop when we go back. So for us it is a real lucky dip. Cost is also another factor as it just keeps going up. We are paying (Au)$260-00 for a brick of Eley Match, that equates to around (Us)$18-00 how does that compare.
All the best in your recuperation.
Cheers,
Trevor.
Trev. We can get Eley match for $15.50 and Tenex for $19.00 per brick USD plus shipping which is about $15 to $18 per order depending on weight. My recovery hasn't been so easy. I had complications from the knee replacement surgery, fell and tore a tendon in my knee. I'm recovering from a tendon repair surgery and house bound for weeks. This has been going on since mid January and I'm about to go crazy in the house. My wife says it would be a short trip though. Take care, Les